Chaldean system

topic posted Mon, July 11, 2005 - 10:59 PM by  niehjla
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I'm looking for books on chaldean divinatory magics - particularly anything that ovelaps with the Augry, Fulgury and Haruspina of the Etrsucans.
Eg: a map of a liver sectioned into divinatory meanings would be awesome. :)

Thanks
Meka
(shot in the dark but worth a try)
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niehjla
Seattle
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  • Re: Chaldean system

    Fri, July 15, 2005 - 8:34 PM


    Dear Meka:

    You might try this link for information on divinatory meanings. It even has a drawing of the liver on this site.


    www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/Har.html


    Haruspicy divination where the liver of sacrificed animals is examined. In Babylon this practice was very popular, so much so, that they had a specialized priest called a 'bara' to perform the service. The Babylonians thought the liver was a "vehicle" by which the gods revealed their intentions.The haruspex (diviner) interpreted the divine will by inspecting the entrails of a sacrificial animal. First the animal was ritually slaughtered. Next it was butchered, with the haruspex examining the size, shape, color, markings etc. of certain internal organs, usually the liver (hepatoscopy), as well as other organs.

    A specific form of haruspicy divination where the liver of sacrificed animals is examined was practiced by many cultures. In Babylon this practice was very popular, so much so, that they had a specialized priest called a 'bara' to perform the service. The Babylonians thought the liver was a "vehicle" by which the gods revealed their intentions.

    Njoy,

    Domina Roma
    • Re: Chaldean system

      Sat, July 16, 2005 - 11:53 PM
      yea I must not have written my question in american - but in "Meka" - sorry . I mean that I would like to find a chaldean liver map - to compare with the Piacenze liver.

      Thanks guys
      Meka
  • Re: Chaldean system

    Sat, July 16, 2005 - 8:18 AM
    "a map of a liver sectioned into divinatory meanings would be awesome"

    You do know that there is a marvelous bronze sheep's liver that's extant. Problem is it's in Etruscan. There are plenty of pictures and drawings of it online. Google Piacenza Etruscan bronze liver.

    www.utexas.edu/courses/my.../liver.html
    • Re: Chaldean system

      Sat, July 16, 2005 - 11:51 PM
      ya jheem - that's the sheep's liver i have a picture of...I'm looking for a Chaldean one to compare it with. :) Sorry for the miscommunication.
      Meka
  • Re: Chaldean system

    Wed, August 3, 2005 - 12:05 AM
    I've managed to answer this question - almost - have yet to find the pictures of the actual models though but at least I have the relevent references.

    Dumezil says "C.O. Thulin compared it with the terra-cotta models which were used for the same purposes in Mesopotamia, especially with two examples covered with inscriptions in the British Museum."
    (My favorite museum - time for a quick trip to the uk methinks!!)

    he goes onto say
    "the conseption of assyro-babylonian haruspicy which had been formed at the beginning of the century was corrected and sharpened by tthe work of R Labat and J Nougayrol"

    Dumezil goes on to compare the mesopotamian and etruscan livers...

    from "Archaic Roman Religion" Georges Dumezil
    which is an awesome book....- it has a small appendix on etruscan religion but it is so worthwhile to buy the book just for that.

    Meka

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